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3 Main Arguments Of Vaccine Lobby Debunked. By Vinny Eastwood

23/5/2017

22 Comments

 

3 Main Arguments Of The Vaccine Lobby Debunked, By Vinny Eastwood

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Have you noticed a common occurrence in the pro vaccine lobby?
They say things like "I'm not even going to bother arguing."
Or respond to questions about their research with words like "the science"
And describe the amount of evidence they have with words like "lots"
Without actually describing one case, one study, one citation,
or even a single entry in a peer reviewed medical journal,
and if they do, it usually doesn't even remotely justify anything that they're asserting.

It's tiresome,
It's laughable,
It's Childish,
It's infuriating,
It's time for this charade to end.


So, in an effort to derail these overly simplistic, broad based assumptions and assertions,
let's do something different, let's be specific and show some clear & easy to find evidence.

THE 3 MAIN CLAIMS OF THE VACCINE LOBBY DEBUNKED
1 Vaccines caused a drop off in the prevalence of bad diseases.
2 Vaccines don't cause harm.
3 Vaccines do not cause Autism.


All these assertions are blatant and demonstrable lies.
In point of fact, if you were to claim the exact opposite, it would be much closer to the truth.

First off, here's publicly available statistics showing that ALL the diseases the vaccine lobby claims to have eradicated were already on their way out.
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And if you look closer, you'll notice in many cases an increase in disease prevalence immediately following the introduction of a new vaccine for that disease.
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CLAIM 1: Vaccines caused a drop off in the prevalence of bad diseases? DEBUNKED.
TRUTH: Vaccines cause disease.

In truth it was mostly plumbing that eradicated these diseases.
Particularly diseases that occurred where there was pooh in the water, as was the cause of plagues and outbreaks across thousands of years of human history dating back to the Romans.

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Add on to that improvements in hygiene practices, nutrition, refrigeration and other modern conveniences, and the evidence is clear.
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The second claim is that vaccines do not cause harm.
Again, a demonstrable lie.
There's publicly available statistics about vaccine injury and how much is awarded in compensation, this is black and white legal proof that vaccines do cause harm.

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But how much money has been paid out since 1988?
Not that much bro, only like 3.6 billion!

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CLAIM 2: Vaccines Do Not Cause Harm DEBUNKED
TRUTH: Vaccine Injuries Are Publicly Documented

The last claim is that Vaccines are not linked to Autism, 
Again, this is a demonstrable lie.
Welcome to the "National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act" Passed in 1986

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Passed by congress with the stated aim "to reduce the potential financial liability of vaccine makers due to vaccine injury claims"
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Basically it became illegal to sue the vaccine makers for vaccine injuries,
Instead, a vaccine court was opened up and the taxpayer foots the bill.
Exactly one year after it became essentially illegal to sue the vaccine manufacturers for injuring your children,
The rates of autism started shooting up on an exponential growth rate from 1 in 5000 measured in the late 70's to now 1 in 2500

In 10 years there was a 500% increase to 1 in 500,

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And it's predicted to be 1 in 88 very soon,
At this rate by 2030 over 50% of people will be autistic.
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And considering the Vaccine court just awarded millions of dollars to a couple children with Autism, it doesn't take Scherlock Holmes to figure out that there's a link.
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And one last thing I'm going to do to be different, well... just to be a dick about it really, is provide the links to the sources I used to concoct my deluded conclusions:

Decline of diseases before vaccines

https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/us-deaths-1900-1965.gif
https://i0.wp.com/www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Vaccines_files/historical_vaccine_graphs.png

Vaccine injury Statistics
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate5_1_17.pdf

National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/history/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act

Plumbing eradicated disease
http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/how-plumbing-not-vaccines-eradicated-disease

Autistic Children awarded damages from Vaccine court
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

22 Comments
Pro vaccination
23/5/2017 03:06:34 pm

I struggle to see any scholarly peer-reviewed journal articles listed in your sources... the credibility and quality of the sources you have used is extremely questionable and I highly doubt that 5 sources of information can give you enough unbiased and fact based evidence to substantiate your claims.

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teri
24/5/2017 07:49:23 am

There are far more than five, but even ONE is one more than what the pro vax side has.

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MWS
24/5/2017 09:28:22 am

I struggle to see a valid argument here. All I see is someone attacking sources and not data, which isn't a valid argument.

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Iris
24/5/2017 11:21:15 am

There's no struggle. Humans are organic. We're born from nature. We're designed to thrive for nature - natural immunity, nature's foods, clean air, water, soil, exercise, sunshine, rest, love, joy.

We will fall apart and die prematurely because of artificial and invasive products and interventions. It's not rocket science.

Proof of that most basic logic? Life expectancy in the U.S. is on the decline.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db267.htm
http://www.healthnutnews.com/life-expectancy-u-s-drops-first-time-decades/

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Iris
24/5/2017 11:24:41 am

Correction: "We're designed to thrive FROM nature." ;)

Vinny Eastwood link
23/5/2017 03:51:21 pm

www.hrsa.gov
www.cdc.gov
Both of them have no credibility I agree :)

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teri
24/5/2017 07:51:14 am

Not unless you're a vaccine company like the CDC. And just so they don't feel "left out", let's not forget to mention WHO, FTC, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, just to name three.

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Liam
25/5/2017 08:50:32 am

But the government are part of your conspiracy yet you cite them as a source....

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Vinny Eastwood link
16/5/2019 05:10:36 am

"if someone quotes a liar, and uses those lies they said to catch them in their lies, then that person is therefore not a liar and it's the person who caught them who should be suspect" I'm not sure if that's what you're advocating here with your comment but that's what it sounds like.

Just because someone uses the data from dishonest organisations, does not necessarily mean everything in that organisation carte blanche is also dishonest, the truth slips out, no matter how hard one tries to close their fist around it.

Sources
24/5/2017 07:22:06 am

One of your "sources" is Wikipedia?! Need I say more? Pro Vaccination commented on your sources to which you responded with two websites. Two websites are not nearly enough to prove anything conclusively. You make scathing remarks about pro-vaxxers and the information or lack thereof they use to back their position but your lack of credible sources you list "just to be a dick" only prove you're no better than the people you criticise.

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Vinny Eastwood link
24/5/2017 08:30:08 am

Well then by all means show me how not providing any sources of any kind makes pro vaxxers better?
They not only do you not provide any evidence to counter this from any source of any kind,
But, also do not provide evidence of any vax vs unvaxxed trials,
or any vaxxed vs placebo trials.
Clearly you're sooo much more credible when you look at one line taken from a wikipedia page and then ignoring all the other sources provided.
AS I SAID
"It's tiresome,
It's laughable,
It's Childish,
It's infuriating,
It's time for this charade to end."

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MWS
24/5/2017 09:26:38 am

Fine, chew on these:


Vaccines caused autism here in this federal court case http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/ABELL.ZELLER073008.pdf
And here page 2 http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/CAMPBELL-SMITH.MOJABI-PROFFER.12.13.2012.pdf
And here -
https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2012vv0423-91-0

Here are 83 cases reviewed by lawyers http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1681&context=pelr

Oh look here's a dead kid compensated https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2010vv0103-145-0

If you ever need a lawyer http://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/cases/

Here are 127 separate studies linking vaccines and autism. https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/220807175/124-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link

Read this about Hannah Brusewitz case and how she was harmed by DTP
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/09-152

Supreme Court Unavoidably Unsafe
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf
There is no science that shows vaccines cause Autism, except in these published studies which show vaccines cause Autism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681

PLUS:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/124-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link#scribd


Now try a valid argument.

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Vinny Eastwood link
24/5/2017 10:02:41 am

NAILED IT!

Kym T.
25/5/2017 03:19:43 am

Nice!!! 💜

Ben
24/5/2017 11:00:41 am

I love this stuff .....every time the Pro vaccines community gives you the same argument! They learnt it from big pharma debunking valid studies...."show us your sources" ....here you go....."these sources aren't valid" ...........but who cares about the source ...these are well known facts , ignore the source examine the actual factual information and logic to understand the truth
......"arghhh rational argument, facts, intelligent debate, arghhh fingers in ears lalalalalalalalalala baaaaaa baaaa baaaa

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Vinny Eastwood link
25/5/2017 07:28:24 am

It is hilarious really, that's why I always make sure to force myself to laugh AT them before replying, that way it dispels the rage they're obviously trying to incite.
The goal seems to make the debate so dirty and horrible sounding that it scares people off of ever engaging in it.
The chilling effect.

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Davies
26/5/2017 10:24:06 am

Thank you Vinny Eastwood for putting this information together for the people whom like to informed and see what the main stream media won’t show.
I hope you don’t mind but I have used this information and MWS information (thanks MWS I hope you don’t mind either) to reply to some posts made on the Breakfast TV show
When they asked people Should the film VAXXED be banned from public screenings here?

Thanks again for all your great work.

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Vinny Eastwood link
7/8/2017 10:03:12 am

thanks so much!

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Jason Barnett
28/5/2017 08:23:01 pm

Hi All

I wanted to put together a document compiling some recent relevant research and notes i've been taking over the last few years. Some are answers to questions from pro-vaccine folks and others are just notes to self which may be useful.
Feel free to copy and use any of this info for replying to others or for your own research.
Section 1: PubMed info
First up is some links with quotes from Pubmed showing very clearly that there are many medical researchers and medical professionals who are gravely concerned about the effects of vaccines and the adjuvants they contain. I may repeat myself in some parts of this document as its all written at different times.
People often say oh well where is the evidence? Below are some good examples to link to.
Many researchers are studying the effects of adjuvants like aluminum and it is most definitely raising many alarm bells in the medical community (but were been told all is well)...
Are there negative CNS impacts of aluminum adjuvants used in vaccines and immunotherapy?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Immunotherapy. 2014;6(10):1055-71. doi: 10.2217/imt.14.81. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't; Review
Abstract
In spite of a common view that aluminum (Al) salts are inert and therefore harmless as vaccine adjuvants or in immunotherapy, the reality is quite different. In the following article we briefly review the literature on Al neurotoxicity and the use of Al salts as vaccine adjuvants and consider not only direct toxic actions on the nervous system, but also the potential impact for triggering autoimmunity. Autoimmune and inflammatory responses affecting the CNS appear to underlie some forms of neurological disease, including developmental disorders. Al has been demonstrated to impact the CNS at every level, including by changing gene expression. These outcomes should raise concerns about the increasing use of Al salts as vaccine adjuvants and for the application as more general immune stimulants.
Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe? - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Abstract
Aluminum is an experimentally demonstrated neurotoxin and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant. Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminum adjuvants, medical science's understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor. There is also a concerning scarcity of data on toxicology and pharmacokinetics of these compounds. In spite of this, the notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences. In our opinion, the possibility that vaccine benefits may have been overrated and the risk of potential adverse effects underestimated, has not been rigorously evaluated in the medical and scientific community. We hope that the present paper will provide a framework for a much needed and long overdue assessment of this highly contentious medical issue.
Curr Med Chem. 2011;18(17):2630-7. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
Note: Aluminium is the primary adjuvant in Guardasil..
Cytotoxicity of environmentally relevant concentrations of aluminum in murine thymocytes and lymphocytes.
These results suggest that aluminum has cytotoxic effects on cells of the immune system.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Cytotoxicity of environmentally relevant concentrations of aluminum in murine thymocytes and...
J Toxicol. 2011;2011:796719. doi: 10.1155/2011/796719. Epub 2011 Jun 27.
Note: Mercury is still used in the flu vaccines.
Exposure to mercury and aluminum in early life: developmental vulnerability as a modifying factor in neurologic and immunologic effects.
"findings have showed a solid link with neurotoxic effects in humans"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Int J Environ Res Public Health. 2015 Jan 23;12(2):1295-313. doi: 10.3390/ijerph120201295. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
Nineteen cases of persistent pruritic nodules and contact allergy to aluminium after injection of commonly used aluminium-adsorbed vaccines.
"research to replace Al adjuvants seems appropriate. We conclude that intensely itching subcutaneous nodules, lasting for many years, and hypersensitivity to aluminium may occur after DTaP/polio+Hib vaccination of infants."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Eur J Pediatr. 2005 Nov;164(11):691-7. Epub 2005 Jul 26. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
from above abstract "So far, the symptoms have persisted for up to 7 years. The median time between vaccination and onset of symptoms was 1 month."
Here is evidence that symptoms can be delayed by a whole month and then develop and continue for many years!
Sixty-four children with persistent itching nodules an

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Jason Barnett
28/5/2017 08:26:12 pm

Sixty-four children with persistent itching nodules and contact allergy to aluminium after vaccination.
Eur J Pediatr. 2013 Feb;172(2):171-7. doi: 10.1007/s00431-012-1841-2. Epub 2012 Oct 11. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
Unexpectedly high incidence of persistent itching nodules and delayed hypersensitivity to aluminium in children after the use of adsorbed vaccines from a single manufacturer.
[1 in 100 having symptoms of toxicity!]
Abstract
During trials of aluminium adsorbed diphtheria-tetanus/acellular pertussis vaccines from a single producer, persistent itching nodules at the vaccination site were observed in an unexpectedly high frequency. The afflicted children were followed in a longitudinal observational study, and the presence of aluminium sensitization was investigated in the children with itching nodules and their symptomless siblings by patch tests. Itching nodules were found in 645 children out of about 76,000 vaccinees (0.8%) after both subcutaneous (s.c.) and intramuscular (i.m.) injection. The itching was intense and long-lasting. So far, 75% still have symptoms after a median duration of 4 years. Contact hypersensitivity to aluminium was demonstrated in 77% of the children with itching nodules and in 8% of the symptomless siblings who had received the same vaccines (P<0.001). Children with persistent itching nodules and/or aluminium sensitization should be warned about aluminium containing products (e.g. vaccines and antiperspirants). The reason for the high incidence of itching nodules after SSI vaccines is unknown and should be further investigated.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Unexpectedly high incidence of persistent itching nodules and delayed hypersensitivity to aluminium.
Vaccine. 2003 Dec 8;22(1):64-9. Clinical Trial; Comparative Study; Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
How common are long-lasting, intensely itching vaccination granulomas and contact allergy to aluminium induced by currently used pediatric vaccines? A prospective cohort study.
[Another case of about 1% of vaccinated developing an allergy to aluminum with a delayed onset.]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
CONCLUSION:
Long-lasting itching vaccination granulomas are poorly understood but more frequent than previously known after infant vaccination with commonly used diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis-polio-Haemophilus influenzae type b and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines. The risk increases with the number of vaccines given. Most children with itching granulomas become contact allergic to aluminium.
How common are long-lasting, intensely itching vaccination granulomas and contact allergy to aluminium.
Eur J Pediatr. 2014 Oct;173(10):1297-307. doi: 10.1007/s00431-014-2318-2. Epub 2014 Apr 22. Clinical Trial; Comparative Study; Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?
[Very important study, please read full abstract in link below. This ones a shocker for anyone who claims there is no link between vaccines and autism.]
"Our results show that: (i) children from countries with the highest ASD prevalence appear to have the highest exposure to Al from vaccines; (ii) the increase in exposure to Al adjuvants significantly correlates with the increase in ASD prevalence in the United States observed over the last two decades "
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism? - PubMed - NCBI
J Inorg Biochem. 2011 Nov;105(11):1489-99. doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.2011.08.008. Epub 2011 Aug 23. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations.
[very good info, please read full abstract from link below.]
"In summary, research evidence shows that increasing concerns about current vaccination practices may indeed be warranted. Because children may be most at risk of vaccine-induced complications, a rigorous evaluation of the vaccine-related adverse health impacts in the pediatric population is urgently needed."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations. - PubMed - NCBI
Lupus. 2012 Feb;21(2):223-30. doi: 10.1177/0961203311430221. Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
Autoimmunity following hepatitis B vaccine as part of the spectrum of 'Autoimmune (Auto-inflammatory) Syndrome induced by Adjuvants' (ASIA): analysis of 93 cases.
"Manifestations that were commonly reported included neuro-psychiatric (70%), fatigue (42%) mucocutaneous (30%), musculoskeletal (59%) and gastrointestinal (50%) complaints."
[This study shows that the symptoms people are reporting for guardasil are not uncommon for vaccines and doctors are lying about the causality link.]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...
Autoimmunity following hepatitis B vaccine as part of the spectrum of 'Autoimmune disorders”
Lupus. 2012 Feb;21(2):146-52. doi: 10.1177/0961203311429318.
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Mr. Gen Lovyet
18/6/2022 04:28:21 am

At first, I did not know how safe vaxxes were, I did not know what the ingredients of vaxxes were but I was researching vaxxes for a while not that I agree or disagree with this article.

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